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| I have only watched part of it because I was out. I am going to finish watching it today. But I understand your point already. the built this last show up as this great show that explained everything when all along I knew they were going to let us down again. they have over and over. I'll post after I have seen it all.
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Posted: Fri May 25th, 2007 02:24 am |
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The Final show just seemed like a lot of long stares into the distance with a lot of dramatic music leading into commercials by Jack and Ben. And they still dont / are not explaining a lot of the "whys".
Of course Locke was alive after being shot, but his legs dont seem to be working and right before he kills himself with a gun that was on another dead body he sees Walt. Walt??? Out of the blue they bring back Walt?
Ben and the good guys meet and have a big talk. Ben talks to Jack in the field and they talk for 5 minutes. All while all hell is breaking loose underground at the looking glass station. Cyclops shots the 2 women at the station in an interesting twist. Both eventually die.
In flashbacks we see that Jack use to have a drug problem back in the real world and he almost killed himself. Ben plays on this history to push him. Jack beats Ben badly after he hears 3 of his friends being shot over the walkie talkie (Bernard, Jim and Syed). alex and her mother tie up Ben.
But as it turns out the 3 of them are still alive as they people with them did not follow the order. Sawyer and Julia and lottery obese boy retake their old cam p and save the 3 of them and KILL Tom and the others there. The show has taken a very violent turn with a lot of characters being killed off on this one show.
charlie turns off the blinking light at the underwater station. A message comes in from Penelope, Desmond's X woman. Charlie closes the door as cyclops man blows up the wondow from outside. charlie drowns as was prediscted in the vision, but not before writing on his hand a message to Desmond that the boat off shore IS NOT Penelope's. The girl that parachuted in (Naomi) seems to be something different then she seems.
The bigger group led by Charlie gets to the radio station. They find the recorded message that has been jamming everything and shut it off. The parachute girl Naomi uses her phone and is about to make a call when John Locke shows up and kills her with his knife. The phone is still on the ground ringing. John and Jack square off. Jack has the phone. Locke wants them to stay on the island and Jack dares him to shoot him.
Someone answers the phone and Jack talks to them who he is and asks if they can get a fix on them using the phone and come save them! Flash back to another bad moment in the past with Jack drunk, drugged and doing really bad. losing it, making drunk calls to his X, etc. We learn that Jack is flying a lot and hoping the plane will crash so he can be killed. He also knew Kate it seems. A eerie forshadowing for what happened to him. MAYBE he made the plane crash, maybe we will learn that later.
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For some reason and my memory may be off but I will watch it again, I thought the last scene with Kate was a 'future flash' or something?
I thought Jack mentioned he had to go back to the Island?
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Posted: Fri May 25th, 2007 03:55 pm |
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| a future flash? but he had the beard and was all drugged out. could all of that with him trying to kill himself and saving the people on the bridge have been in "the future"??
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He did mention the free plane pass they got.
Jack said he has been "flying a lot with that golden pass they gave us and every Friday night I would fly to Tokyo, Singapore, Sidney, then I get off have a drink then I fly home." Kate asks why and Jack says "Because I want it to crash, I do not care about anyone else on board,with every little bump or turbulence we hit, I actually close my eyes and pray, that I can get back". Kate then says 'this is not going to change' and Jack replies "I am sick, we made a mistake" then Kate says " I have to go, he is going to be wondering where I am" then Jack says "we were not suppose to leave" and Kate says "Yes we were" Then as Kate is leaving Jack says "We have to go back Kate, we have to go back".
Thats why it sounds like it is after they are off the Island.
You may be right but this is 'Lost' so anything is possible, but at reading other entertainment forums the thought its it was in the future but maybe the writers just want us to think that? I dunno, but if thats the case a lot of people fell for it. ha ha
I guess we will find out whenever next season starts and if they are running all 16 uninteruppted I would say feb is when it will be on again. Thats sure a long way off.
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Posted: Sat May 26th, 2007 09:33 pm |
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I hope in Season 3 they're not in the real world and having flashes back to the island... that'd just be dumb.
I'm afraid they're going to ruin the series. They need to tie up these loose ends, and quick.
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| Time for me to rewatch season one and two!
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Posted: Thu Jun 21st, 2007 07:37 pm |
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My 2 cents worth.
Being as I do some writing myself (mainly unpublished fiction) I would ask myself this question. If I was the one writing the show, how would I tie everything together so that it would be plausible? There are so many holes, plot lines, sub-plots, flashbacks, dead-ends etc., that it looks like a household kitchen strainer. A writer would need to spend months going back over what they had written to tie up the lose ends to make sense.
If one were writing an adventure style video game, all the role playing, treasures, secret rooms, puzzles etc., would have been flow-charted out. I remember this from years past with a huge BBS game (before the current Internet is what it is). I believe there were ten thousand rooms programmed into that thing and it was never finished. Users would discover new things as the programmers opened up new passages---sound familiar?
One easy way to snap everything back into perspective is to play a little game than M. Night Shyamalan the writer/director has done in his past movies. The main character in "The Sixth Sense" was already dead and didn't know it. It wasn't revealed until the end of the movie and unless you were told by someone or just figured it out, you couldn't put your finger on it. You did know that something wasn't right.
MY EASY THEORIES
No matter what the outcome of the show is, you are going to tick somebody off. All the people that spent months combing past episodes on DVD and tape, creating theories and hypotheses will feel let down if there is an easy answer. If you create too extravagant of an explanation, people will be just as confused with the answer as all the questions. Groupies will spend months if not years trying to debunk the ending. It might make for good press for another series based on the show, but the genie will be out of the bottle--like Shyamalan's was after his first movie....we were watching for that twist in his next ones. Fool me once.....etc..
A) So one theory is, take it or leave it, is it never really happened. It is somebody under hypnosis or therapy that is recalling a past false regression...or is it?
B) Somebody is writing a book and is creating or thinking about the scenes for each chapter. Perhaps dreaming about them before he/she writes.
C) Somebody is programming a video game, creating characters etc.
And probably a dozen more easy ones that will make everyone mad for even watching the show.
Can you just imagine an ending scene where they cut to the wife of a writer walking into his study and asking if he has finished his book. He then looks at her, reaches across the desk and carefully sets the manuscript in front of her. The camera zooms in to the title....yep you guessed it. (It wouldn't hurt if it was Locke sitting in his wheel chair at the typewriter....LOL!)
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TSF-Mike wrote: My 2 cents worth.
Being as I do some writing myself (mainly unpublished fiction) I would ask myself this question. If I was the one writing the show, how would I tie everything together so that it would be plausible? There are so many holes, plot lines, sub-plots, flashbacks, dead-ends etc., that it looks like a household kitchen strainer. A writer would need to spend months going back over what they had written to tie up the lose ends to make sense. i agree 100% about the holes in the plot lines. they have to bring it together somehow and quickly before they lose everyone who is left actually watching.
If one were writing an adventure style video game, all the role playing, treasures, secret rooms, puzzles etc., would have been flow-charted out. I remember this from years past with a huge BBS game (before the current Internet is what it is). I believe there were ten thousand rooms programmed into that thing and it was never finished. Users would discover new things as the programmers opened up new passages---sound familiar? One easy way to snap everything back into perspective is to play a little game than M. Night Shyamalan the writer/director has done in his past movies. The main character in "The Sixth Sense" was already dead and didn't know it. It wasn't revealed until the end of the movie and unless you were told by someone or just figured it out, you couldn't put your finger on it. You did know that something wasn't right. I am starting to get upset after reading this knowing where you are going with your thinking...
MY EASY THEORIES
No matter what the outcome of the show is, you are going to tick somebody off. All the people that spent months combing past episodes on DVD and tape, creating theories and hypotheses will feel let down if there is an easy answer. If you create too extravagant of an explanation, people will be just as confused with the answer as all the questions. Groupies will spend months if not years trying to debunk the ending. It might make for good press for another series based on the show, but the genie will be out of the bottle--like Shyamalan's was after his first movie....we were watching for that twist in his next ones. Fool me once.....etc..
A) So one theory is, take it or leave it, is it never really happened. It is somebody under hypnosis or therapy that is recalling a past false regression...or is it? Would they have that big of balls to do "the Matrix" plot for what happened. It is all a stream of the unconscious mind?
B) Somebody is writing a book and is creating or thinking about the scenes for each chapter. Perhaps dreaming about them before he/she writes. I actually like this one, but you would have a full out riot if the characters are not "real". People would poo poo on that.
C) Somebody is programming a video game, creating characters etc. Another GREAT theory, but same thinking from me as above.
And probably a dozen more easy ones that will make everyone mad for even watching the show.
Can you just imagine an ending scene where they cut to the wife of a writer walking into his study and asking if he has finished his book. He then looks at her, reaches across the desk and carefully sets the manuscript in front of her. The camera zooms in to the title....yep you guessed it. (It wouldn't hurt if it was Locke sitting in his wheel chair at the typewriter....LOL!) I could see it being Locke, since he made himself healed in his story and come back from being shot in his story, etc.
Great post
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Posted: Thu Jun 21st, 2007 09:07 pm |
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I like the book author theory as well. Why? Because it is similar to a book I tried to write and never finished...as of yet.
Now if I was to tell you the whole twist, it would ruin it. Suffice it to say, that there is more to his writing than meets the eye. I can think of a whole new series based on "why" he wrote the book. Sort of a Pre-Lost series. Where did he get the idea from? Were the characters in his book fiction or did they manifest themselves somehow? Were his "visions" of the chapters he was writing precognition, or planted memories? Is he writing about the future (meaning he is writing decades earlier)? Did his book have an impact on the actual creation of the Dharma Initiative? Was it because of him Dharma was created in the first place?
Man, we could create a pretty nifty spin-off or spin-backwards! 
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| Just as long as a DeLorean doesn't show up in one of the scenes I will be OK.
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Posted: Thu Jun 21st, 2007 11:13 pm |
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| and what exactly is the mystical force in the forest. it is going to be very hard to honestly explain that eventually in the "real world"
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TVDinner wrote: and what exactly is the mystical force in the forest. it is going to be very hard to honestly explain that eventually in the "real world"
Perhaps it is the writer erasing images or characters in his story .....golly I just had to bring that up again. 
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Posted: Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 12:21 am |
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| you know Mike - what really makes me wonder about all of this is "the others". i can rationalize the crash landing and them trying to survive on the island, etc. But i can not rationalize the others and what they are doing there. I have always held out that they were stranded also, but did not know it, but of course we know that is not true.
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TVDinner wrote: you know Mike - what really makes me wonder about all of this is "the others". i can rationalize the crash landing and them trying to survive on the island, etc. But i can not rationalize the others and what they are doing there. I have always held out that they were stranded also, but did not know it, but of course we know that is not true.
Well we know that the Atlantis theory is busted because they are in the Pacific and not the Atlantic. A flight from Sidney, AU to Los Angeles would surely fly east (shortest route) and not west across Africa then the Atlantic (very long route to LA). Also, they are filming in Hawaii.
Perhaps the key to the story is the Black Rock. There has been nothing shown, to the best of my knowledge, that is older, other than the 4-toed statue. Doesn't Miquel (sp) have the eye-patch? Weren't others wearing clothing similar to those of ship crewman from the 19th century? Wasn't it supposed to be a slave ship? It was carrying an awful lot of gunpowder and dynamite. A quick check of info on dynamite will tell you that it's main component is nitro-glycerin, which was invented in 1866 by none other than Alfred Nobel! So the ship could only have arrived there sometime after that. The Emancipation Proclamation was issued in 1862 and almost all slaves were freed by 1865 with the adoption of the 13th amendment--approximately a year before Nobel discovered Nitro. So was it a slave ship after all? Heading east from Australia to the Pacific coast of America? I think not.
Does the 4-toed statue have any relevance to Easter Island and the Moai statues there made famous in 1958 by Thor Hyerdahl's book called Aku-Aku, The Secret of Easter Island? Which reminds me of some sort of slave deportation from Peru sometime after 1860? Maybe I am off on that, but if correct, perhaps the Black Rock was actually carrying slaves, only escaping ones? Conjecture on my part. One thing is for certain, Easter Island is VERY remote and of course if is VERY barren too! Easter Island is directly east from Australia, heading towards South America. Was Oceanic Flight 815 off course?
Maybe it's just aliens.
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Posted: Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 02:22 am |
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| see that is what I think. It could be very well a group of aliens that were heading to meet their friends at Roswell and went off course and crash landed on the island and then many years later the Party of Five and friends showed up........
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TVDinner wrote: see that is what I think. It could be very well a group of aliens that were heading to meet their friends at Roswell and went off course and crash landed on the island and then many years later the Party of Five and friends showed up........
Roswell just doesn't fly in my book because it would be a letdown for me and almost too easy. There were clues that Navy ships heard the number sequence or radio pulses during WWII before 1947. If it is a space/time vortex of some sort, then that could explain the appearance of the Black Rock, the statue etc.
We could also hearken back to Speilberg's special edition of "Close Encounters" where the aliens deposited a ship in the Gobi. Hence the alien theory might be accurate. If you will also remember, the aliens sent repeatedly a series of harmonic signals which turned out to be longitude/latitude coordinates. They also communicated with a tonal vocabulary.
This brings us to the number sequence of Lost: 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42. Adding these numbers together gives you 108. That is the exact number of minutes they had until the the computer needed resetting. It is also the number sequence being broadcast from the island. These numbers were revealed in "The Lost Experience" video game as core values in the Valenzetti Equation. This equation was developed to determine the extinction of mankind. Perhaps the Dharma Initiative is attempting to change the number sequence to effect the longevity of mankind.
Food for thought...and speaking of food, I have a pizza waiting on me
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Here's something you "Losties" might be interested in. I'm not sure how many of you know about all the shenanigans that went on by ABC and others during the shows hiatus, particularly "The Lost Experience" interactive game. There is so much stuff that it is as confusing as the show itself.
As a little tidbit, check out this link to Wikepedia and read some about this character.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Troup_(Lost)
It was his book manuscript that Sawyer was reading in season 2 in the episode "Two For The Road". He claimed he may be the only one who ever got to read it. Hurley though had also read it earlier. Jack sets the last few pages of the manuscript on fire before Sawyer can finish reading them.
Does anyone remember this?
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| I barely remember this and it would be a pretty big stretch IMO to bring it back in as a major plot point, but who knows with this show.
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Well now, for some unknown reason, Wikipedia has deleted the article that the above link refers to. You can still find a few scraps that refer to him, but I am not really sure what the deal is on why they removed it.
Oh, well it probably isn't worth the effort unless you have been involved with the whole underground "Lost Expereience". There definately are a few froot loops loose out there with the whole conspiracy thing.
I'm just waiting for the ending of the show so I can be disappointed and then move on to another one that perks my interest.
Maybe I'll play the Lost number sequence on the next lottery ticket I buy. If I win, I really will be weirded out.
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