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Logged into this thread... and as I started to read... I saw things I shouldn't lol - because I haven't started watching series 3 yet. You don't get it here in Lanzarote unless you pay an extortionate amount for satellite. But a friend of mine has recorded everything for me... so I can watch it soon.
Anyway... I kept my eyes closed until I was near the reply button - just so I could tell you that.
Hablo luego!
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Posted: Sun Jul 1st, 2007 05:05 pm |
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Anyone remember the episode flashback where Ben has all the islanders killed? Their bodies were then dumped in a large hole in the ground. Ben then took over running the place. That hole in the ground is also where Ben shoots John Locke and leaves him for dead. John is healed by the island and comes back to life.
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| right, i got that, but I still am waiting for more of an explanation why John keeps being healed (first his legs and then after being shot), yet others can die and not be brought back to life or healed. Seems like selective special powers....
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Posted: Sun Jul 1st, 2007 11:40 pm |
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| Unfortunately, due to the time change of Lost, I haven't been able to watch a lot of Lost episodes. Part of the problem was because I had a class around that time which disabled me from watching it on television. Although, Lost actually became more dull and new mysteries continued to appear which seemed endless.
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| I have recently started watching the current series, got the DVD. Tell you what though, after all this time it still doesn't make any sense at all!
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Posted: Sun Jul 1st, 2007 11:53 pm |
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| How far into the series are you?
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| I think I'm currently at the part when Jack decided to treat one of the "Others" because he had a disease. I know that I'm being rather broad but I can't seem to remember specific details.
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Posted: Mon Jul 2nd, 2007 12:14 am |
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All I have to say is that a good mystery only reveals itself at the appropriate time. Had "Lost" been a regular movie, we would have been given most of the answers within two hours. "Lost" has a problem in that it's not a movie. Stretching the mystery scenario out season after season has become tedious. If one misses an episode, then you may have blown the whole two seasons you prevoulsy dedicated yourself to viewing. You also may not know what is going on in the current one because of it. "Lost" may have made a better movie. And don't forget that we watched Tom Hanks stranded in "Castaway" so it could have worked nicely.
Perhaps a 3-part mini-series would have been better for the TV.
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TVDinner wrote: right, i got that, but I still am waiting for more of an explanation why John keeps being healed (first his legs and then after being shot), yet others can die and not be brought back to life or healed. Seems like selective special powers....
Mike - what about this point? what do you think?
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Posted: Mon Jul 2nd, 2007 12:35 am |
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TVDinner wrote: right, i got that, but I still am waiting for more of an explanation why John keeps being healed (first his legs and then after being shot), yet others can die and not be brought back to life or healed. Seems like selective special powers....
I believe John Locke is a crutial key to the story. ( LOL!!!)
He has seen the eye of the island, he has seen the monster, he has witnessed and been involved with things nobody else has, he has been healed twice--once when they crashed and again after Ben shot him. He has survived these things when others perished---like the airline pilot. One interesting tid-bit is the run-in that John had at the beginning with the tour manager that would not let him go on the "walkabout" because he was in a wheelchair. He was pretty dang adamant that he needed to be on that trip. I"m still curious as to why. I'm beginning to wonder if the phone conversation he had with someone at the box plant where he worked was truly about the game he was playing or something of a larger magnitude.
One plot line that they keep bringing up, is that somehow everyone is connected. Flashbacks have revealed that numerous people knew or had met one another before the island. To me this suggests that they are either affecting time or perhaps are in a "Groundhog Day" scenario.
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| My wife said EXACTLY the same thing with "groundhog day" towards the end of the recent season. And I agree about just about everything you said about Locke. We KNEW he was not dead when he was shot this season. We just knew it. The new future glimpses we are now seeing are very strange.
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Posted: Mon Jul 2nd, 2007 01:48 am |
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TVDinner wrote: My wife said EXACTLY the same thing with "groundhog day" towards the end of the recent season. And I agree about just about everything you said about Locke. We KNEW he was not dead when he was shot this season. We just knew it. The new future glimpses we are now seeing are very strange.
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Don't read if you haven't seen the last season or episodes!
With the whole number sequence thing, people having met before and with flashbacks showing Sawyer in a bar with Jack's dad and other things they are revealing, I still am leaning towards time being affected.
In the season finale, Ben tells Jack that "every living thing will be killed on the island if Jack contacts the ship". John throws a knife and kills Naomi as she is trying to contact the ship with the satellite phone. John attempts to threaten Jack with a gun to keep him from calling as well. He does NOT kill Jack. He gives us a hint of things to come by looking at Jack in one scene and says "you aren't supposed to do this". This means to me that it is scripted and Jack is not following the script. During the ending we are presented with Jack in another time, either past, present or future. He tries to commit suicide on the bridge and is the cause of the accident in which he saves the lady and her son. He calls Kate and they meet at the end of the runway of the airport. He shows her an obituary of (we can only assume due to the way they were talking) that it was Sawyer. He then tells her they have to go back......back to the island....they made a big mistake....they were never supposed to leave. Kate acts like she does not want to return as she is now married (to who?). She has a new life without having to run from the law. Why would she want to return?
Sort of 'Back to the Future"...
For those with a fast connection, you can now view ALL previous seasons and episodes at ABC. You can even watch fullscreen if your computer and connection are decent. You will need to install a browser plug-in for IE6 and 7 and MAC. (James, you may want to post this separate for our friends who would like to view episodes and don't know how or where to go)
http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing
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Good info Mike! I posted an announcement in this forum so people can go catch up.
OK a few things
1) I think people are working to much into "you aren't supposed to do this". all over the internet people are working that one line into some sort of prime directive or script that has to be out there guiding all of them. Let's say that did exist, then exactly how is Jack operating off that script and on his own. Is he some sort of Neo from the Matrix character who is able to adjust the story line??
2) how would they know that everything would die on the island if the ship was contacted. if it had happened in the past wouldn't everyone there have died also the first time it happened?
3) I can't think of any reason they would want to go back to the island for any reason, no matter what the circumstances. that is why that line jack says in the future (??) was confusing. he just said they had to go back. I dont think he said where....
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| Well we do know where Jack wants to go back to. He had been using his "Gold Pass" that the Oceanic Airlines gave them to fly anywhere unlimited. Jack had been flying relentlessly. He stated that with every bump and turbulence they hit on those fllights he hoped and prayed they would crash so he could go back.
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PS: I misspoke on watching the LOST episode thing at ABC. I believe you can watch some FULL episodes and partial ones of the other ones. I just watched the season finale again and realized that you have to drill down in another area to find previous seasons. I will attempt to see if they are full episodes now or just partial.
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Posted: Mon Jul 2nd, 2007 08:01 am |
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TVDinner wrote: Good info Mike! I posted an announcement in this forum so people can go catch up.
OK a few things
1) I think people are working to much into "you aren't supposed to do this". all over the internet people are working that one line into some sort of prime directive or script that has to be out there guiding all of them. Let's say that did exist, then exactly how is Jack operating off that script and on his own. Is he some sort of Neo from the Matrix character who is able to adjust the story line??
2) how would they know that everything would die on the island if the ship was contacted. if it had happened in the past wouldn't everyone there have died also the first time it happened?
3) I can't think of any reason they would want to go back to the island for any reason, no matter what the circumstances. that is why that line jack says in the future (??) was confusing. he just said they had to go back. I dont think he said where....
Again my apolgies for misleading anyone on the ABC episode thing. Just the last month of the show is viewable.
1) I think that line is important. The reason it is important to me at least, is the fact it falls in line with the time disruption theory and is evidenced by the ending scenes with Jack and Kate. Obviously they had effected time somehow. Perhaps as in "Groundhog Day" they repeat until Jack gets a wild hair and varies from his appointed role. Bill Murray's day never ended until he became a better person and fell in love. Maybe Jack's way out took a different tack, albeit a disastrous one.
2) Ben is the one that has drilled it into everyones head that in order to survive, they must not be located. Ben grew up on the island and so knows no other place. Now John Locke is repeating it. Even Miquel who was zapped and killed by the security fence came back to life and was surprised that Ben was jamming the radio signals. Ben even tells Miquel that those women, Charlie and Desmond in the underwater facility all must be killed to protect that knowledge.
3) It's possible that if you inadvertenly caused the death of your loved ones and maybe millions of others or changed the future in such a negative way, you just may want to go back....a sort of salvation.
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If memory serves me correctly, the plane never would have crashed if Desmond had made it to the console to type the numbers into the computer in time. A rift opened up and the plane was caught and the "Others" saw it break up and fall. Things of this nature must have happened before as Ben sprung into action in a very organized manner. What bothers me is that nobody is plugging those numbers in anymore since Desmond turned the key and the place exploded with a flash that seemed to effect everyone. We know somebody has the coordinates and is still dropping supplies by parachute and that supply plane does not get sucked in. We also know that Ben is still jamming radio signals from escaping the island.
Juliet and Sawyer on their way back to the beach in the season finale to try and help those that stayed behind were talking as they were walking along. Sawyer asks her about the time they had them in captivity and took them to the other island . He asks why they were breaking rocks and clearing an area. She says with a smirk "So the aliens can land".
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A) Does anyone remember "Maple Streeet U.S.A"? It is a story where people start accusing others of treachery, then riot and even commit murder when certain things like their electricity, water, cars not starting and then do, and contact with anyone outside their own neighborhood isn't possible. The final scene is two aliens up on a hill discussing their "experiment" and how simply tweaking a few things would allow humans to destroy themselves on their own. A simple and effective way to take over the planet, all without lifting a finger.
B) Perhaps aliens took over the Dharma Project because that scientific community had inadvertenly discovered them. Perhaps that is why Ben had all the Dharma people killed. The Dharma facility is partially used by them until they are able to escape their confines or be rescued.
C) Perhaps escaping the island is not possible because they really are not on earth. Perhaps the "ship" that is trying to locate them is not one that floats on water.
I had to throw all this alien stuff in for James!!
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man I hope the alien idea is not the way they go. i think people would be more pissed then with the Sopranos ending.
and in honor of your groundhog day reference...http://www.groundhog.org/
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TVDinner wrote: man I hope the alien idea is not the way they go. i think people would be more pissed then with the Sopranos ending.
and in honor of your groundhog day reference...http://www.groundhog.org/
Phil? Phil Collins is that you? Am I right or am I right? LOL!!
Let me know if I am being too verbose in posts. I love writing.....which is another passion of mine.  Last edited on Sat Jul 7th, 2007 10:20 pm by TSF-Mike
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write away oh verbose one!!!! 
You are free to do whatever you want Mike !!
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Well here are some more tidbits. I'm sure in the scheme of things a stupid televsion show is pretty unimportant but it seems to have such a following.
Much is made about the Dharma Initiative and exactly what they were doing on the island. For those of us that don't have HDTV or are not able to see the clues that flash by on the screen it is pointless to even try.
You all do know that each Dharma station has a name right? "The Swan", "The Pearl, "The Arrow", "The Staff", "The Flame", "The Hydra", and "The Looking Glass". Each facility had the Dharma emblem on the hatch or door with a coresponding glyph (character) in the center of the logo. "The Swan" (Station 3) is where they hang out punching numbers into the computer until it explodes when Desmond turns the key. There is quite a bit made about each location and what it was for. "The Swan" was where research on the island's Electromagnetism was done.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHARMA_Initiative_stations#Station_3:_The_Swan
There are six (6) orientation films of which we got to see two (2) I believe. The one in "The Swan" had part of it cut out, later to be found by Locke. When spliced back together it warned about not contacting anyone on the outside with the computer. Apparently somebody had edited the film so that whoever was lucky enough to get stuck in "The Swan" plugging numbers in, just might call for help.
Dharma is also the teachings of Buddha. The Dharma Wheel has 8 spokes. Could the Dharma Initiative facilities of which we have seen 7 number a total of 8? The Dharma logo looks supsiciously like the spoked Dharma Wheel. The Dharma orientation film speaks of bringing scientists with certain disciplines together to conduct research. I believe they listed 6 and then there was something about a Utopian society before the film was cut off.
Link to the hidden picture seen on the Blast Door when
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lost_2x17_-_The_Map.png
Ok, that's enough for me.
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