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James:
AJ ended-up "normal" in the way that he didn't want to pursue the Mafia "career" as his father did with his father.
He obviously was affected by his family lifestyle...also the world's present state, and the thing that most affected him was the break-up with Blanca his girlfriend.
But he in the end managed to survive everything with out resourcing to the use of denial that most people do, even Tony Soprano in some world wide affairs.
The end for the Sopranos could it be just like that...a family gathering...like if nothing had happened before...and without being preoccupied by the future. Tony Soprano was a master of that.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15th, 2007 01:22 pm |
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My problem with ending is that it wasn't climatic enough and it indicated no direction. I would have accepted anything if well-done - Tony not being in danger, Tony getting killed, whatever.
I loved the series but the last few years it lost some quality, although this last year was better.
I am sad the series is over and wished it had ended in some decisive way - any decisive way. I don't like feeling as if I missed something or didn't understand something or anti-climatic.
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From the Washington Post TODAY
`Sopranos' Star: `No Idea' About Ending
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Friday, June 15, 2007; 8:12 AM
NEW YORK -- Viewers weren't the only ones who didn't know what to make of the boldly ambiguous ending of "The Sopranos" _ some of the stars didn't, either.
James Gandolfini told the Daily News in Friday's edition that he had "no idea" what to think was to happen to his character, the emotionally tortured mob boss and suburban dad Tony Soprano, after the hit series' final episode closed Sunday with an abrupt cut to a blank screen.
"You have to ask ("The Sopranos" creator) David Chase that. Smarter minds than mine know the answer to that," Gandolfini said. "I thought it was a great ending. You decide."
The screen went black and silent as Gandolfini's character and his family sat down to dinner, leaving fans guessing _ and some complaining _ about the ending's meaning or lack thereof.
Some have suggested that the movements of a man in the background portended a "Godfather"-style shooting. Others surmised that the show, which delved deeply into the domestic life of its mobster protagonist, was simply ending on an everyday note.
Chase has declined to explain.
Several of Gandolfini's cast mates echoed his praise for the show's open-ended conclusion.
"A conventional ending would have been a fraud," Steven Van Zandt, who played Silvio, told the Daily News.
"Life doesn't have tidy little endings," said Van Zandt, a member of rocker Bruce Springsteen's E Street Band. "Even some great songs just fade out like the last episode of 'The Sopranos.'"
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Posted: Fri Jun 15th, 2007 02:16 pm |
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You can justify any ending and call it great - but does that make it great? Don't think so. One can try to do something "different" and just because you call it unconventional doesn't mean it excuses it from not being good! Many unconventional things that were not "tidy endings" failed or sucked. 
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| the fact we are still talking about it a week later says it all. great job keeping the buzz going long after the show is over. there are ENTIRE new websites popping up to discuss every single tiny detail of the last show and how it ties back to other shows from the past seasons and I think all of that is great. Good job by Chase IMO
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Posted: Fri Jun 15th, 2007 07:59 pm |
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just found this whooper of info from CNN.com
Think Tony Soprano's dead? You may be right
Story Highlights• "Sopranos" creator David Chase has said, "It's all there"
• HBO notes that some theories have come close
• Key clue may be in Bobby Bacala dialogue
LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) --
Fans of "The Sopranos" are seizing on clues suggesting the controversial blackout which abruptly ended the TV mob drama meant that Tony Soprano was rubbed out, and HBO said Thursday they may be on to something.
One clue in particular, a flashback in the penultimate episode to a conversation between Tony and his brother-in-law about death, gained credence as an HBO spokesman called it a "legitimate" hint and confirmed that series creator David Chase had a definite ending in mind.
"While he won't say to me 100 percent what it all means, he says some people who've guessed have come closer than others," HBO spokesman Quentin Schaffer told Reuters after speaking to Chase.
"There are definitely things there that he intended for people to pick up on," Schaffer said.
Chase himself suggested as much in an interview Tuesday with The Star-Ledger newspaper of New Jersey when he said of his end to the HBO series, "Anyone who wants to watch it, it's all there."
In the final moments of Sunday's concluding episode, Tony, the conflicted mob boss who has just survived a round of gangland warfare, sits in a diner with his family munching on onion rings as the 1980s song by rock band Journey, "Don't Stop Believin'," blares from a juke box.
Tension builds as a suspicious man wearing a "Members Only" jacket eyes Tony from a nearby counter before slipping into a restroom. Then, as Tony looks toward the restaurant's entrance, the screen abruptly goes blank in mid-scene -- with no picture or sound for 10 seconds -- until the credits roll silently.
Stunned viewers, many initially believing something had gone wrong with their cable TV reception, were left wondering whether Tony ended up "whacked" or whether his sordid life went on as usual.
Even star James Gandolfini wasn't sure.
"You have to ask ('The Sopranos' creator) David Chase that. Smarter minds than mine know the answer to that," Gandolfini told the New York Daily News. "I thought it was a great ending. You decide."
The jarring, fill-in-the-blank finale, concluding a show widely hailed as America's greatest television drama, sparked a furious debate about whether Chase had conceived of an actual ending and whether he left the audience any clues.
The biggest hint, according to a consensus taking shape on the Web, is a scene from an earlier episode in which Tony and his brother-in-law, Bobby "Bacala" Baccalieri, muse about what it feels like to die.
"At the end, you probably don't hear anything, everything just goes black," Bobby says while they sit fishing in a small boat on a lake.
That scene is recalled briefly in a flashback played at the end of the penultimate "Sopranos" episode, as Tony is lying in the darkened room of a safehouse clutching a machine gun to his chest in the midst of a mob war.
"I think that is one of the most legitimate things to look at," Schaffer said when asked about theories that the Bobby Bacala flashback was meant to foreshadow Tony's death.
Moreover, he said the man in the "Members Only" jacket could be interpreted as a symbolic reference to membership in the mob. "Members Only" also was the title of the episode in which Tony's demented Uncle Junior shoots him in the gut.
The "Members Only" guy was played by the owner of a real-life pizza parlor, Paolo Colandrea. Schaffer denied reports that Colandrea had appeared earlier in the series as the nephew of Tony's New York gang rival, or that there ever was such a character. He also dismissed reports that Chase had filmed more than one ending to the finale.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15th, 2007 09:39 pm |
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read the article I just posted from CNN.com. Chase said it is all in the episode. Sounds like he was killed, but instead of just showing that, he made it was cooler.
I think we will see a PREQUEL movie, when Tony was a child and Junior ran things, etc.
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I have to say I was very disapointed in the finial episode. I said Thats it....
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Posted: Sun Jun 17th, 2007 12:42 pm |
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| Everyone in the resturant at the end was in past stories.
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Bill K wrote: Everyone in the resturant at the end was in past stories.
Hi Bill - that myth has been proven false. None of those actors have been on the show before. That was proven false.
Check out this great frame by frame breakdown - http://alessonaday.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/sopranos-finale-analysis-of-final-scene/
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Posted: Sun Jun 17th, 2007 02:17 pm |
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TVDinner wrote: The biggest hint, according to a consensus taking shape on the Web, is a scene from an earlier episode in which Tony and his brother-in-law, Bobby "Bacala" Baccalieri, muse about what it feels like to die.
"At the end, you probably don't hear anything, everything just goes black," Bobby says while they sit fishing in a small boat on a lake.
I guess if that was true then while Tony was looking up at the end, in the final close up, maybe the guy came back from the bathroom and shot him in the head or something...
I am still not happy about it....
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24Hours wrote: TVDinner wrote: The biggest hint, according to a consensus taking shape on the Web, is a scene from an earlier episode in which Tony and his brother-in-law, Bobby "Bacala" Baccalieri, muse about what it feels like to die.
"At the end, you probably don't hear anything, everything just goes black," Bobby says while they sit fishing in a small boat on a lake.
I guess if that was true then while Tony was looking up at the end, in the final close up, maybe the guy came back from the bathroom and shot him in the head or something...
I am still not happy about it....
I am not happy either.
It seems that in several TV programs the Final episode of the Sopranos is having a lot of criticism.
Being different does not mean to be weird or crazy.....
I don't think that David Chase will be initiating a "drastic change" on TV finales or movies BTW.
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Posted: Fri Jun 22nd, 2007 09:20 pm |
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Better Sopranos ending I think - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCMQRv3Naso
CLASSIC COMEDY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmX-SSJO-ug
Funny Scarface parody - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq2r0liQV1E&mode=related&search=
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| I've yet to watch an episode of the Sopranos, can anyone tell me what the hype is all about?
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Posted: Fri Aug 31st, 2007 11:28 am |
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Well it is over now, and to really see it you have to watch the unedited version on DVD or elsewhere. The reruns on Bravo or whoever is showing them really cut the shows up for normal TV.
It was arguably the best acted, directed and written TV series that ever has been on TV. It has been credited with literally changing how TV shows are made, directed and written. It was like watching a great great movie each week and season and looked like that also.
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| we are half way through season six in australia ,is this the last one or is there more ?
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Posted: Mon Oct 15th, 2007 04:24 pm |
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| lol - there is 9 total seasons. You have a ways to go, but the best is still coming up!
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TVDinner wrote: lol - there is 9 total seasons. You have a ways to go, but the best is still coming up!
they were advertising it as the final season here maybe australia won't get the others ,typical of aussie television
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Posted: Tue Oct 16th, 2007 02:46 am |
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| you HAVE to get the rest and see it to the end. It is the greatest MOVIE that ever was put on TV in segments!
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